during the end step and while the ability is still on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again (C.R. A couple days ago my friend told me the heard about a quirky rules lawyer-y interaction involving [[Obeka, Brute Chronologist]] that I just love if it's true. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END Decklist CMC Mana Prices Charts Draw 7 Commander 1 Obeka, Brute Chronologist Hand into play 1 Sneak Attack 1 Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded Token copies of creatures 1 Mimic Vat 1 Flameshadow Conjuring 1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Graveyard to battlefield 1 Araumi of the Dead Tide Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. by darrenhabib 2 years ago, Post Card Kingdom price: $0.00. Wouldn't underworld breach exile at the end step of the next player: "At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice Underworld Breach." And even if I'm wrong on both of those, I can almost gaurentee that if you tried this at a tournament a judge would accept "I'm going to say no to ending my turn indefinitely" as a reasonable way to end this loop. 1x. Doesn't work at all. Obeka has been the hardest nut for me to crack deck wise. "Until end of turn" is now used exclusively for defining a duration of an effect. Ignore EoT black discard/life loss effects. This means that the control changing effect will still end and the artifact will revert to its previous controller. After commander legends I made an Obeka EDH list. There is also Kardur, Doomscourge that will force everyone's hand. But as the loop initiator, you are going to have to choose how many times you continue your loop, right? Obeka, Brute Chronologist rulings: 2020-11-10: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. This text, though, is unconventional for an ordinary triggered ability, so read it as "At end of combat, exile this creature". It no longer is printed on cards (and has been errated off of old cards) to signify a trigger. Ending the turn skips directly to the cleanup step of the turn. OP's wrong about how multi-player loops function, though. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) by benjameenbear 2 years ago, Post Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. 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Out of stock. The end state has Obeka tapped. Potentially showing that Wizards intended the terms to be interchangeable, at least on older cards. I lay plans and strategies while bike riding to my studio. Rince and repeat for each opponent, effectively only giving them untap and upkeep steps until an answer is found, which might be hard without a draw step. Likewise, "[do something] at end of combat" (e.g., in myriad [C.R. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/, https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296. Finally, "at the beginning of the end step" (examples include [[Ball Lightning]] and [[Heat Shimmer]]) expresses an ordinary triggered ability that likewise goes on the stack after it triggers (C.R. It's amazing. "If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. This doesnt work the way you want it to. Obeka's effect jumps directly to the Cleanup Step from whatever step/phase the game currently is at.If the game was in a step/phase prior to the End Step, it would skip past the End Step so nothing triggering on the End Step would trigger this turn. Similar Deck Space Card Recommendations Commander Recommendations. 603.7b; see also [[Bonus Round]] and [[Glimpse of Nature]]). Based on CR 722.2a. A player is one of the people in the game. Well finally got my sweaty palms on the cards needed for the deck and played out about 10 games. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Sets Obeka, Brute Chronologist has been printed in: Commander Legends Commander Legends Magic Online Promos. I proceed to combat and trigger Myriad off a Broodbirth Viper and end the turn with Obeka, Brute Chronologist before the end of combat to keep the myriad tokens. Card Name: Obeka, Brute Chronologist Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4 Types: Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard Card Text: : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Obeka, Brute Chronologist "brute" forcing your opponents to end their turns with loops After commander legends I made an Obeka EDH list. by Jack-Frost, Obeka, Reckless Chronicler Cards that grant players an extra turn are always good to keep an eye on. In order for it to be considered a shortcut loop you must propose all actions involved including your opponents. Help | You might also run stuff like Thran Dynamo or Worn Powerstone to help you hit higher MVs sooner, ramping by only 1 mana feels bad compared to hitting a land drop most of the time, there is also Gilded Lotus, but hitting 5 mana can be rough. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. I learned this was against the rules when I'd shuffle my deck for free with a loop in my old Izzet deck, then try to do it again after peeking at the top card with a permanent's ability, but I was told by a player i could not due to the "you are re-looping" rule. Now, according to https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/ [edit: and 722.3 see below] two players are involved in making decisions that keep this loop going. Should you stop buying MtG products? Greven, Predator Captain the One Punch Man, Community Software Feedback and Bug Reports, Tresserhorn (zombies, check out my primer! ._3oeM4kc-2-4z-A0RTQLg0I{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between} You can't "but I only did one then you chose no so I do it again" because now you're looping twice to the same board state as a result of the Obeka activation resolution, which is strictly against the rules. The rules manager confirmed this doesn't work the way I'd like it too https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296 interesting that they don't consider choices independent actions. Contact | It removes marked damage from all permanents. . Switch . He occupies a happy place in my Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck. : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Because the trigger for the token destruction is for combat steps only after the original creature (or copies) attacked. Oneka's second ruling states If Obeka, Brute Chronologist is used to end the turn before an end step starts the triggers will trigger on the next turn's end step. Privacy statement | Go ahead and say nuh-uh to whatever shit is flying in your face. Card Text: . Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. is there anyway for obeka's controller controller to keep control of the artifact that was taken due to nabber's effect? Add to Cart 1; 2; $0.63 . 11/10/2020: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Which is why "the next end step" works, because when your opponent ends their turn its technically the turn after the "next end of turn" and doesn't trigger. What do you think about adding anger, lightning greaves and hall of the bandit lord for haste? But with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite), you can "cancel" certain abilities that say "at the beginning of the next end step" or "at end of combat", if you end the turn at the right moment. I use Mass Diminish more aggressively, to make a player hyper-vulnerable to attackers (and make them unable to counter attack), getting two casts is just savage. NM; EX; VG; G; 2 available @ $0.79 . The game advances through the lowest number of iterations chosen and the player who chose that number receives priority. 702.116a]) expresses a delayed triggered ability referring to the beginning of the next end of combat step (C.R. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything on this. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Decks Combos Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Card) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX In 3180 decks 1% of 232421 decks Navigation Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution So effects with at, whenever, and when are triggered abilities that go on the stack and can be exiled from the stack by the effect of [[obeka]] and [[sundial of the infinite]]. If anyone has any information on this and can help us out, it would be much appreciated. 11/10/2020: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. When it comes to Obeka (and [[Sundial of the Infinite]]), there is a difference between "until end of turn" and "at the beginning of the next end step". Reanimation is one of the most popular themes in the entire Magic: The Gathering Commander format. Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. by Olive_pdx, unthinkable apocalypse 603.3). There are some good resources to show the difference between what goes on the stack and what doesnt with end of turn effects but I dont have them on hand currently and you do have the correct understanding of what effects go on the stacks and what doesnt. [[Obeka, Brute Chronologist]]; [[Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker]]. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. Coalition Relic can charge for 1 turn, Skyclave Relic is super versatile/rugged, and Everflowing Chalice can be huge if you want, 6-10 mana is absurd but sometimes comes up. If the trigger was a delayed trigger, the ones typically worded "at the beginning of the/your next end step", they only get to trigger once and they did trigger so won't trigger again. 719.1d; see also C.R. Flip, Spear Spewer, and Thermo-Alchemist.Some maybe cards include Angrath, Captain of Chaos, and Cryptolith Fragment By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. ._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} TCGPlayer Mkt $565 - 472. Does ending the turn at end of combat delay the Final Fortune trigger until my next turn's end step, or does ending the turn with Obeka during combat immediately put any and all end of turn triggers on the stack and I need to find another way to end the turn before those resolve and I lose the game? If you're using Goad effects, War Tax can let an opponent have a way around them, if there is a tax to attack Goad fails, and War Cadence is absolutely devastating with Goad, even a tax of 1 to block can make blocking impossible for weenie decks, and you can use either on anyone's turn. Now, if the End Step began, all those "beginning of the end step" triggers have triggered and are on the stack waiting to resolve.The interesting thing is that if you end the turn with them waiting to resolve, the triggers get exiled and the game advances to the Cleanup Step.
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